{"id":133,"date":"2015-11-01T15:10:29","date_gmt":"2015-11-01T22:10:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.responsible47.com\/?p=133"},"modified":"2015-11-01T15:10:29","modified_gmt":"2015-11-01T22:10:29","slug":"not-trustworthy-loophole-board-comments-events","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.responsible47.com\/?p=133","title":{"rendered":"NOT TRUSTWORTHY \/ LOOPHOLE \/ BOARD \/ COMMENTS \/ EVENTS"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I. THE SALE BALLOT IS NOT TRUSTWORTHY (INTENTIONAL OR NOT)<br \/>\nII. MEMBER COMMENTARY &#8211; LOOPHOLE LANGUAGE IN THE BALLOT<br \/>\nIII. MEMBER WRITES TO BOARD &#8211; GETS REPLY<br \/>\nIV. LOTS OF COMMENTS<br \/>\nIV. EVENTS<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;Absolutely guaranteed anonymity &#8211; Former Musician&#8217;s Union officer<br \/>\n&#8230;The one voice of reason in a sea of insanity &#8211; Nashville &#8216;first call&#8217;<br \/>\nscoring musician<br \/>\n&#8230;Allows us to speak our minds without fear of reprisal &#8211; L.A. Symphonic musician<br \/>\n&#8230;Reporting issues the Musicians Union doesn&#8217;t dare to mention &#8211; National touring musician<\/p>\n<p>Name Withheld<\/p>\n<p>===================================<\/p>\n<p>I. THE SALE BALLOT IS NOT TRUSTWORTHY (INTENTIONAL OR NOT).<br \/>\nIT HAS TO BE REVOKED, REWORKED AND RE-MAILED.<\/p>\n<p>Colleagues,<\/p>\n<p>if you&#8217;ve gotten your ballot for the building sale, DO NOT SIGN<br \/>\nAND RETURN IT.<\/p>\n<p>Why?<\/p>\n<p>Read what it says in DETAIL.<\/p>\n<p>Shall the officers of the Musician&#8217;s Club of Los Angeles (&#8220;the Club&#8221;) be<br \/>\nauthorized to sell the Club&#8217;s real property. &#8211; located at 817 Vine Street,\u00a0<br \/>\nHollywood, CA 90038 &#8211; for not less than Twenty Two Million<br \/>\nDollars ($22,000,000) to the successful highest bidder?<\/p>\n<p>It is followed by a yes or no vote.<\/p>\n<p>So if you vote YES they can sell the building for anything<br \/>\nover 22 million.\u00a0if you vote no, they can sell it AS LONG<br \/>\nAS It&#8217;s Over 22 million OR it can be sold below 22 million,<br \/>\ndepending on how you read it.<\/p>\n<p>Either way they can use your vote to sell the building!<\/p>\n<p>The board may not have intended the mis-direction,<br \/>\nbut the wording leaves it wide open to be used as<br \/>\na yes vote.<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps not all members of the board realize this,<br \/>\nbut certainly the counsel and the president should<br \/>\nhave.<\/p>\n<p>The question should have been<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<\/p>\n<p>Shall the officers of the Musician&#8217;s Club of Los Angeles<br \/>\n(&#8220;the Club&#8221;) be authorized to sell the Club&#8217;s real properties.<br \/>\n&#8211; located at 817 Vine\u00a0(and the parcels on Lillian Way)<br \/>\nVine Street, Hollywood, CA 90038.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<\/p>\n<p>THAT would be honest. <\/p>\n<p>Any Board member who did not realize this potential<br \/>\nproblem should be asking some serious questions<br \/>\nof the president and the counsel.<\/p>\n<p>It might have been  just careless writing and not thinking<br \/>\nit through, but the ballot cannot be trusted because of it.<\/p>\n<p>If you&#8217;ve been asked to make phone calls, know that<br \/>\nyou are taking part in a potentially mis-directed situation<br \/>\nunless the ballots are rescinded, reworked and re-mailed.<\/p>\n<p>This ballot does not provide a no vote, only a YES vote<br \/>\nunder different conditions.<\/p>\n<p>There have been so many questionable actions in this<br \/>\nprocess, could they at least get the question right?<\/p>\n<p>THE COMMITTEE<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>THE COMMITTEE SUGGESTS:<\/p>\n<p>a. Do NOT return this first ballot at all, but retain it for<br \/>\n\u201cnon-vote verification\u201d of that ballot # (and make sure<br \/>\n\u201cEveryone\u201d knows those un-mailed ballots are being<br \/>\nretained, to be counted if \u201cnecessary\u201d)<\/p>\n<p>b. Members\u2019 Cc to FMA and The Committee, stating<br \/>\nthat they did not return their ballots due to lack of<br \/>\ninformation.<\/p>\n<p>Please let us know if you do not return your ballot.<\/p>\n<p>===================================<\/p>\n<p>II. MEMBER COMMENTARY &#8211; LOOPHOLE LANGUAGE IN THE BALLOT<\/p>\n<p>LOOP HOLE LANGUAGE IN BALLOT REGARDING THE SALE OF CLUB 47&#8217;S BUILDING:<\/p>\n<p>How I see this decision, and why I will make a decision on how<br \/>\nto ensure my NO means NO: The way I see it is, I see that there<br \/>\nis a &#8220;loop hole language&#8221; in the ballot which I personally do<br \/>\nnot trust. I saw it the moment I opened my ballot.<\/p>\n<p>When this language was brought up at the meeting, The board<br \/>\nsaid the counsel gave it to them the reasons of &#8220;legal technicality&#8221;<br \/>\nas the explanation to this loop-hole language &#8220;&#8230; for not less<br \/>\nthan Twenty Million Dollars&#8230;&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>However, whenever they have the counsel write in language,<br \/>\nthe executive board has a past practice during membership<br \/>\nmeetings of stopping people&#8217;s brains by throwing up this<br \/>\nwall called &#8220;legal technicalities&#8221;. It is like the very word<br \/>\n&#8220;legal&#8221; or &#8220;lawyer&#8221; is intended to shut off the brains of the<br \/>\nmembers and not ask further. For instance, what exactly<br \/>\nare these &#8220;legal technicalities&#8221;? They (elected officials)<br \/>\nfailed to say what these &#8220;legal technicalities&#8221; are.<\/p>\n<p>Was this deliberate?<\/p>\n<p>I take a close look at my ballot and see that my ballot<br \/>\ndoes not say &#8220;Does club 47 have permission by the<br \/>\nmembership to sell our property?&#8221; Then yes, or no.<\/p>\n<p>What I do see is, my ballot cited a qualification under<br \/>\nwhich Club 47 can not sell the building. My ballot<br \/>\nsays this qualification for being able to sell the building<br \/>\nis as long as it is not sold \u00a0&#8220;&#8230; For not less than<br \/>\nTwenty Million Dollars ($22,000,000.00) to the<br \/>\nsuccessful highest bidder.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Club 47\/elected officials fail to say on the ballot<br \/>\nwith this qualification under what terms that can<br \/>\nnot sell the building is that, they ALREADY have<br \/>\nbids for $24,000,000 and more.<\/p>\n<p>Could it be then, that the &#8220;legal technicality&#8221; cited<br \/>\nat the meeting is that the counsel has written in a<br \/>\ncontingency to be able to sell the building even<br \/>\nif the majority of votes are &#8220;no&#8221;?<\/p>\n<p>Think about it: they way this ballot is written says<br \/>\nthat what we are really voting on is not whether<br \/>\nthe building can be sold or not. We are voting to<br \/>\nmake sure it is not sold for less than $22,000,000.<\/p>\n<p>This legal technicality is not about the ballot, the way<br \/>\nI see it. This legal technicality seems to me that we are<br \/>\nbeing set up and Club 47\/elected officials (one in the<br \/>\nsame) have their loop hole legal technicality savior to<br \/>\ntell us the building will be sold even if we voted NO&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>How? Because, they have created the room to say to us<br \/>\nthat &#8220;the voters only voted that we could not sell the<br \/>\nbuilding if it was UNDER 22 million. Since we have a<br \/>\nbidder for $24,000,000, we then have permission by<br \/>\nthe membership to sell it. They voted on a price we<br \/>\ncan not sell it below, they voted only that we sell it<br \/>\nto the highest bidder above $22,000,000, not whether<br \/>\nor not we can sell the building.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The fact that there is a qualification under which they<br \/>\ncan not sell the building means we are not voting on<br \/>\nif the building can be sold or not. We are voting on<br \/>\nmaking sure it is not sold for under $22,000,000.<\/p>\n<p>Read carefully.<\/p>\n<p>Translation: the old switcheroo&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>The question in my mind has become, &#8220;Will my NO<br \/>\nreally mean NO? if not, what can I do to make sure<br \/>\nmy NO means NO?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>With the way this language has been written, I doubt<br \/>\nmy NO means NO- because I will have only voted &#8211;<br \/>\nwhether I say yes or no &#8211; that the building can not<br \/>\nbe sold for under 22,000,000.<\/p>\n<p>Since I have seen no proof that my no means no, and<br \/>\nsince I know all too well how under handed and tricky<br \/>\ntitled officers and board members can be, to date-<br \/>\nthe only way I can see my No meaning NO is if I<br \/>\nsimply do NOT turn in my ballot:<\/p>\n<p>Club 47 needs to have to have certain number of<br \/>\nballots turned in to even go forward. Therefore, I<br \/>\nchoose to not contribute to helping Club 47\/elected<br \/>\nofficials reach the required number of votes and then<br \/>\nfinding the legal right to turn my NO into a YES<br \/>\nbecause the &#8220;legal technicality&#8221; was that our union<br \/>\ndues money went towards helping our elected officers<br \/>\nthwart my voice.<\/p>\n<p>Also, is it really Club 47&#8217;s intent to sell only a portion<br \/>\nof our property for no less than $22,000,000. It came<br \/>\nto everyone&#8217;s attention that the address they are asking<br \/>\npermission for does not include all the properties.<br \/>\nThey are having us vote on only one of their four<br \/>\nphysical addresses.<\/p>\n<p>If we are not voting on all the properties, they have no<br \/>\npermission to sell all four, since not everything was voted<br \/>\non \u2013 even if it sells for not less than $22,000,000.<\/p>\n<p>Again, my personal answer to myself to even that dilemma?<br \/>\nI won&#8217;t turn in my ballot to contribute to the necessary<br \/>\nrequired number of ballots. It is the only way I can think<br \/>\nto ensure my NO means NO.<\/p>\n<p>My thoughts and opinions only, and how I plan to proceed.<br \/>\nFor whatever it is worth. Local 47 had a history of<br \/>\ndisenfranchising its members, leaving them out of the<br \/>\nloop, pulling fast ones&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>For instance: Look at the write up done recently when<br \/>\npeople thought they were going into a discussion at the<br \/>\nunion meeting, but the &#8220;fast one&#8221; was it was a Club 47<br \/>\nsales pitch. It turned out to be a Club 47 meeting in<br \/>\nwhich members could not even make motions. Everyone<br \/>\nwho showed up to that meeting, in this regard, was<br \/>\ndisenfranchised, excluded from decisions on whether<br \/>\nto sell the building or not, not given enough information,<br \/>\nno motions by members could even be made. That was<br \/>\na fast-one. Everyone who was there felt that sting, and<br \/>\neveryone who read about it in the blog because they<br \/>\nwere unable to attend felt the sting of being<br \/>\ndisenfranchised equally so.<\/p>\n<p>And now? This ballot: a &#8220;legal technicality&#8221; that potentially<br \/>\nprotects Club 47 if\/when Local 47 members because the<br \/>\nballot was written to not IF the building can be sold, but<br \/>\nmaking sure they could sell the building so long as it was<br \/>\nnot sold for under $22,000,000.<\/p>\n<p>This act once again potentially can disenfranchise the<br \/>\nentire membership by a sale of the building &#8211; even if<br \/>\nthere was a majority NO vote &#8211; simply because people<br \/>\ndidn&#8217;t realize they were really voting on a qualification<br \/>\nfor what manner and cost the property could not be<br \/>\nsold below. Call me crazy, but all members votes should<br \/>\nactually have a real voice that is not contingent on a<br \/>\ndollar amount.<\/p>\n<p>Members who want to vote NO should not be forced<br \/>\nto say yes to a sale because of a loop-hole language<br \/>\nin the ballot that said &#8220;so long as it does not sell for<br \/>\nbelow $22,000,000 if they did not want to say &#8220;yes&#8221;<br \/>\nto any sale in the first place.<\/p>\n<p>Just my perspective.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>===========================================<\/p>\n<p>III. MEMBER WRITES TO BOARD &#8211; GETS REPLY<\/p>\n<p>Recently, LOCAL 47 member Charles Fernandez wrote to the board<br \/>\nwith his ire up about the wording of the ballot, and what he sees as a fix<br \/>\nin the balloting. That in turn was answered by the board,..<br \/>\nand in turn a reply from Member Fernandez.<\/p>\n<p>Here is the exchange that took place.<\/p>\n<p>1) Member Fernandez&#8217; Letter to the board:<\/p>\n<p>To the Offices and Board of Local 47,<\/p>\n<p>Evening all,<\/p>\n<p>I felt it important enough to write to all of you directly.<br \/>\nI have seldom before bothered\u00a0to write to the entire<br \/>\nboard, but I finally got around to opening the ballot and<br \/>\nwas\u00a0honestly gobsmacked by what I read.<\/p>\n<p>I can only think that some of you guys didn\u2019t know<br \/>\nthat this is what the ballot says\u2026.<\/p>\n<p>Read the sentence below carefully if you would be<br \/>\nso kind\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Shall the officers of the Musician&#8217;s Club of Los Angeles<br \/>\n(&#8220;the Club&#8221;) be authorized to sell the Club&#8217;s real property.<br \/>\n&#8211; located at 817 Vine Street,\u00a0Hollywood, CA 90038 &#8211;<br \/>\nfor not less than Twenty Two Million Dollars ($22,000,000)<br \/>\nto the successful highest bidder?<\/p>\n<p>See the problem yet?<\/p>\n<p>It would be an honest ballot if the sentence said:<\/p>\n<p>Shall the officers of the Musician&#8217;s Club of Los Angeles<br \/>\n(&#8220;the Club&#8221;) be authorized to sell the Club&#8217;s real properties.<br \/>\n&#8211; located at 817 Vine Street\u00a0and Lillian Street, Hollywood,<br \/>\nCA 90038<\/p>\n<p>Then a yes or no vote would matter.<\/p>\n<p>By adding \u00a0&#8211; for not less than Twenty Two Million Dollars<br \/>\n($22,000,000) to the successful highest bidder,\u2026 the ballot<br \/>\nis saying that either a yes OR\u00a0no vote can be used to sell the<br \/>\nbuilding, just under different terms.<\/p>\n<p>If you vote Yes, they can sell the building for not less that<br \/>\n22 million If you vote No, the building can be sold without<br \/>\nit having to be over 22 million, OR it could be interpreted<br \/>\nto mean that it can be sold for any amount OVER 22\u00a0<br \/>\nmillion (We already have a bid for 24 million.)<\/p>\n<p>If any of you did not realize this, you should (I should think)<br \/>\nhave some serious\u00a0questions to ask of John Acosta and Levy<br \/>\nLevy at least (Since it was Mr. Levy&#8217;s\u00a0Idea that the number be<br \/>\nincluded, according to John Acosta) and I dearly hope\u00a0you do.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Some of you should be very pissed and feel manipulated.<\/p>\n<p>If you DID know this, shame on you. You need to realize<br \/>\nthe only honest\u00a0thing to do is rescind\/nullify the ballots<br \/>\nthat have gone out, fix the wording\u00a0and re-mail them so<br \/>\nan honest vote can be taken.<\/p>\n<p>All parcels need to be listed, not just 817 Vine.<\/p>\n<p>To put it plainly, this ballot is a fraud. The question is, is<br \/>\nit a willful fraud or was it inadvertent. \u00a0<\/p>\n<p>So really folks,<\/p>\n<p>-You put the Building up for sale in July without informing<br \/>\nthe membership. (Two days after I asked an officer about<br \/>\nit it was taken down)<\/p>\n<p>-On the October 5th meeting you pull a bait and switch on<br \/>\nwhich organization\u00a0is meeting to shut down motions.<\/p>\n<p>-You pull the same thing from the opposite direction at<br \/>\nthe meeting last Monday?\u00a0And then this wording?<\/p>\n<p>I trust I might hear from a couple of you that you had no<br \/>\nidea this was going on,..I hope I do, but this is some real<br \/>\nkarma dumping you\u2019re doing here.<\/p>\n<p>Someone should be held accountable and I\u2019d say an<br \/>\napology is due the membership\u00a0for the deception,<br \/>\nintentional or not.<\/p>\n<p>Please cancel the balloting, and do the right thing.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks<\/p>\n<p>Charles Fernandez<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>2) Board reply to member Fernandez:<\/p>\n<p>Dear Brother Fernandez:<br \/>\nWe are responding to your email of Wednesday<br \/>\nOctober 28th.  First, let\u2019s be clear about one thing:<br \/>\nthe Bylaws of the Club govern the referendum<br \/>\nprocess and the Club is strictly following those<br \/>\nrequirements as well as any other(s) placed on<br \/>\nthe Club by external law.<\/p>\n<p>Next, the ballot is neither ambiguous nor did the Club\u2019s<br \/>\nDirectors try to make it so. The question placed to the<br \/>\nmembership and the authorization sought thereby is very<br \/>\nclear: permission to sell the Musicians Club\u2019s real property<br \/>\n(i.e., 817 Vine: the \u201cProperty\u201d) for not less than $22 million.<br \/>\n We cannot see what is confusing, confounding or<br \/>\nconspiratorial about such a straight-forward ballot question.<\/p>\n<p>Moreover, your insinuations about the motives of the Club\u2019s<br \/>\nDirectors is not only uncalled for, but belied by the actual facts.<br \/>\nFirst, the Bylaws of the Club expressly provide that if there is a<br \/>\n\u201cno\u201d vote or an insufficient amount of ballots returned, the Club,<br \/>\nand its officers, is\/are deprived of any legal authority to sell the<br \/>\nProperty, no matter the price. In other words, your musings<br \/>\nabout a \u201cno\u201d vote really being a \u201cyes\u201d vote for some other<br \/>\ntransaction is entirely false and finds no support in the Club\u2019s<br \/>\nBylaws, the law or the record.<\/p>\n<p>Second, all of the materials circulated by the Club &#8211; with regard<br \/>\nto the referendum \u2013 clearly and unmistakably detail and discuss<br \/>\na sales transaction where the price shall be $22 million or more.<br \/>\nIn not a single verbal statement or written document has the Club<br \/>\nor its officers stated, or even implied in the most remote way,<br \/>\nanything to the contrary.<\/p>\n<p>Simply put, you have completely misconstrued the referendum<br \/>\nprocess, conveyed that misconception to untold numbers of<br \/>\nLocal 47\/Club members and, in so doing, have clearly attempted<br \/>\nto besmirch the motives of the Club\u2019s officers. Unless you have<br \/>\nsome actual proof to back your claims, they need to be immediately<br \/>\nretracted, with an apology to all concerned.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>3) Member Fernandez&#8217; reply to the board:<\/p>\n<p>Hey Gary,<\/p>\n<p>Please forward this to the board, if you would.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The statement on the ballot as it stands can in fact<br \/>\nbe construed (depending on your point of view) to<br \/>\nenable a NO vote to be used as a yes vote for a<br \/>\nparticular price. Regardless of intent, this is the result.<\/p>\n<p>The ballots have to be reworked, the boards previous<br \/>\nactions (some of which were outlined in my previous<br \/>\nemail), have left the membership with a record low<br \/>\ntrust factor for the Local. At every step there have<br \/>\nbeen suspicious actions on your part.<\/p>\n<p>The problem with the wording was brought to my<br \/>\nattention by several people, and once I saw it it<br \/>\njumped out at me immediately.<\/p>\n<p>Do yourself a favor, make the intent of the ballot<br \/>\nfoolproof, remove the sale amount and make it,<br \/>\n&#8220;Does the board of Local 47\/Club 47 have the<br \/>\nauthority to sell the properties on Vine and Lillian Way.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>YES OR NO. there is no possible way to have that<br \/>\nmisconstrued.<\/p>\n<p>Most of you, or perhaps even all of you didn\u2019t not<br \/>\nforesee this complication, but it is there and it will\u00a0<br \/>\npersist until addressed directly.<\/p>\n<p>DOES A NO VOTE MEAN THAT THE CLUB CANNOT SELL<br \/>\nTHE PROPERTY, Yes or no.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks<\/p>\n<p>Charles Fernandez<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;..More as the situation develops.<\/p>\n<p>=======================================<\/p>\n<p>IV. LOTS OF COMMENTS<\/p>\n<p>When I asked about the presentation of DETAILS<br \/>\nabout the costs, [Of the sale and refurbishment of<br \/>\nthe potential new building] etc. President Acosta<br \/>\nsaid they&#8217;ve been discussing it since february<br \/>\n&#8211; still no details.<\/p>\n<p>Just vote no. That&#8217;s a no brainer<br \/>\n&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>There is a reason our municipal ballot information says&#8230;<br \/>\nA no vote on this means xxxx<br \/>\na yes vote on this means xxxx<br \/>\nLook no farther than &#8220;it depends on what your definition<br \/>\nof \u00a0is..is.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The Supreme Court has had a recent ruling on the what the<br \/>\nlanguage of some legislation really meant.<br \/>\nNo need for member Fernandez to apologize to anyone&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>Since the next publication of the Overture will not<br \/>\nbe until January, all letters to the editor that have<br \/>\nbeen sent in opposition to the sale will not be seen<br \/>\nby the membership. This appears to have been<br \/>\ncarefully orchestrated. The Executive Board has<br \/>\ncontrolled the timeline.<\/p>\n<p>The latest email blast from the local regarding the<br \/>\nagenda did not list a discussion of the sale. Guess<br \/>\nthis will be brought up under new business&#8230;unless<br \/>\nwe can move it up. I have seen people leave<br \/>\nthe room on cue to avoid a quorum.<\/p>\n<p>Make no mistake&#8230; these folks want to maintain<br \/>\nthe status quo for themselves. We have take a<br \/>\ncollective cut and so should they.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Absent other facts to date, it appears that Local<br \/>\n47 wants to use Club 47 as a cookie jar with no<br \/>\nplausible plan to refill it.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for all your efforts.<\/p>\n<p>[The letters should be printed in the online<br \/>\nversion of the overture, which comes out<br \/>\nevery month. <\/p>\n<p>We shall see.]<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>A few days ago I got a call from someone at Local<br \/>\n47 ostensibly to ask me if I knew about the vote re<br \/>\nthe sale of the building. <\/p>\n<p>This person at first said they are trying to reach all<br \/>\nthe union members to make sure they know about<br \/>\nthe vote, and would I be interested in volunteering<br \/>\nto call some of the other members.<\/p>\n<p>I asked if that was usual, to call about voting, because<br \/>\nin the past, I&#8217;ve only gotten emails and mailings. In<br \/>\nthe course of answering, he said that in order to sell<br \/>\nthe building, the vote \u00a0requires 50% plus 1 to vote<br \/>\n&#8220;yes&#8221;, and this was why it was so important to reach<br \/>\nthe members&#8230; Not to make sure enough knew about<br \/>\nthe vote, but to make sure enough people voted &#8220;yes&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>I am glad a member brought this up- what he did say but<br \/>\nwas pretty clear regarding the hiring Ludlow&#8217;s company<br \/>\n[BRIDGESTREET INC.] (: bad judgement on their part.<\/p>\n<p>As to the EB taking a leadership role on the building<br \/>\nsale process- less than 400 people elected them-<br \/>\nhardly a mandate- I think that is why they needed help<br \/>\nin selling the idea to at least half of the 3211<br \/>\nmembers that must return valid ballots.<\/p>\n<p>I am pretty sure they royally mucked up the actual<br \/>\nballot, by not mentioning all 4 properties- or a better<br \/>\nwording like- the common property known as 817 VINE<br \/>\nstreet-<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>At last night&#8217;s meeting, John Acosta once again said<br \/>\nwords to the effect of, if you don&#8217;t feel you know<br \/>\nenough about the sale, don&#8217;t vote. He tried correcting<br \/>\nhimself later, but he&#8217;d said the same at the October 5th<br \/>\nmeeting.<\/p>\n<p>I think if members have not been sufficiently informed,<br \/>\nthey should vote no.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<\/p>\n<p>During all this information that has been presented for<br \/>\nthe selling of the property something stood out about<br \/>\nthe 1 million L47 still has in its accounts.<\/p>\n<p>What got my attention when it was mentioned that the<br \/>\nmillion wouldn&#8217;t be enough if there was a law suit?????<\/p>\n<p>How many law suits do we have?????<\/p>\n<p>What came to mind was the outstanding law suits<br \/>\nagainst the big four represented by none other than<br \/>\nLewis Levy.<\/p>\n<p>So is it necessary to sell because the RMALA got us<br \/>\ninto these law suits and the building has to be sold<br \/>\nso the RMALA.<\/p>\n<p>Can continue on their quest to reap their money<br \/>\n(rightfully theirs) but at a time when the local is in<br \/>\ndire straights??? Is this why it is urgent to sell???<br \/>\nIs this how they will handle future money???<\/p>\n<p>This could be a ploy to get the money out of the union<br \/>\nby selling the building and then have access to who<br \/>\nknows what they have planned.<\/p>\n<p>This is based on information provided so a conclusion<br \/>\nof RMALA&#8217;s behavior who still feel they own the local.<\/p>\n<p>If the RMALA wins the lawsuit it would be a feather in<br \/>\ntheir cap and would strengthen there support further.<\/p>\n<p>Speculation, but John A. is the only one, being president,<br \/>\nthat has the most information then anyone else of the<br \/>\nelected officials. It is his turn now.<\/p>\n<p>To add to this are they a bunch of idiots to sell 47<br \/>\nthey will blow through that money in no time with<br \/>\nabsolutely no alternative solutions to bring in more<br \/>\ncapital.<\/p>\n<p>A strip mall?????????\u00a0\u00a0Sophisticated and classy. Very<br \/>\nprofessional.<\/p>\n<p>[EC: The logical question to ask would be who is funding the<br \/>\nlawsuits, The Local or the national. This is however, an<br \/>\nexcellent question.]<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>Why not pull a L47 move and try to declare the<br \/>\nbuilding a historical landmark? L47 tried that<br \/>\nwith Sony without their permission or request.<br \/>\nIf someone does that, it will tie the building<br \/>\nup and it can&#8217;t be sold, or even listed possibly.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>Something smells that they all knew. How else<br \/>\nwould you get that wording without L. Levy being<br \/>\nthe one who worded it for the officials to endorse???<br \/>\nThis is not something the Board have the capacity<br \/>\nto do.<\/p>\n<p>This is a fast one and does not reflect intention,<br \/>\nthey should all resign!!!<\/p>\n<p>And the RMALA is behind this which are setting the<br \/>\ndirection.<\/p>\n<p>Just as though we became aware that all the upgrades<br \/>\nwere for the purpose of selling the building in the<br \/>\nfirst place years ago.<\/p>\n<p>The RMALA was in control then and still is now. The<br \/>\nwhole bunch all who enrich their lives from money<br \/>\nthat comes into the union will cash in when the building<br \/>\nis sold.<\/p>\n<p>This confirms to me they are trying to get at the cash,<br \/>\nselling the building is the only way to free up money<br \/>\nthat they don&#8217;t have now.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<\/p>\n<p>They will try ANYTHING! <\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>I read it several times Sunday night and I saw the<br \/>\n&#8220;head&#8217;s I win; tails you lose&#8221; message. Ugh.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>What is going to happen to the guys who need a<br \/>\nrehearsal space for big band and chamber concert<br \/>\npractices if they don\u2019t have a place to do so. And<br \/>\nto sell this iconic landmark building so that they<br \/>\ncan profit from their hideous practices already is<br \/>\na sham and a mockery. This town is really f***ed up.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>Oh no. I didn&#8217;t understand it that way but now I see<br \/>\nwhat you mean. It is very confusing and unclear.<br \/>\nUnfortunately I already sent the vote back to 47.<br \/>\nI don&#8217;t think that was done intentionally but it is<br \/>\nclear a big mistake that needs to be fixed.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<\/p>\n<p>The moment I saw this I knew it was BS.<\/p>\n<p>Sad to say I belonged to a church that sold a<br \/>\nparsonage that was meant for a youth pastor&#8230;..<br \/>\nwe figured it would be to pay off the church&#8217;s<br \/>\nbills to be debt free&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;but after the pastor<br \/>\ndid that, he gave himself and his family a raise<br \/>\nand upped his retirement package and left us<br \/>\nwithout a home for a youth pastor and they<br \/>\nget paid so poorly. He pirated the money if<br \/>\nyou ask me.<\/p>\n<p>This had the same stench!!!!<\/p>\n<p>They are up to no good and are looking for ways<br \/>\nto line their greedy pockets.<\/p>\n<p>I haven&#8217;t been following this as close as I should<br \/>\nbe &#8211; but will there no longer be an affordable<br \/>\nrehearsal place if they sell it????<\/p>\n<p>[EC: If they are able to sell the building, they<br \/>\nsay there will be rehearsal rooms.]<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>The two separate topics are this:<\/p>\n<p>If elected officials\/Club 47 wanted to inquire<br \/>\nif they can sell the building and then, \u00a0after that,<br \/>\ninquire how low they can sell it for (if they got the<br \/>\n&#8220;yes&#8221; Votes they needed to the separate question<br \/>\nif they can sell the building), those are two separate<br \/>\nquestions that need to be made into two separate<br \/>\nballots.<\/p>\n<p>Club 47 combined both questions into one ballot<br \/>\nquestion and made a NO vote turn into a YES vote<br \/>\nregardless how a person feels about the building<br \/>\nbeing sold.<\/p>\n<p>The first ballot should be &#8220;do we have permission<br \/>\nto sell the building?&#8221; Yes or No.<\/p>\n<p>If the answer in a vote comes back &#8220;yes&#8221;, the next<br \/>\nballot should be the language in this ballot regarding<br \/>\nthe minimum amount of $22,000,000.<\/p>\n<p>But they all are m**** f****, clearly intent on<br \/>\ndisenfranchising members &#8211; this time, the entire<br \/>\nmembership. Not just a little insignificant group<br \/>\nno one cared about.<\/p>\n<p>Darius Campos has a conflict of interest. Of course<br \/>\nhe says this is a great idea: look at what he stands<br \/>\nto make in commission, even if he is donating some<br \/>\nback to any relief fund. Having him, as a union<br \/>\nmember, tell members this is a good idea, that is a<br \/>\nconflict of interest.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Again. Oh for f*** sake! 47 just brings out my potty<br \/>\nmouth! <\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>Do you think the RMALA is behind the sale of the bldg to<br \/>\nshut up all the folks that keep saying they are the cause<br \/>\nof the recording loss and lost wages and work dues to the<br \/>\nlocal &#8211; in other words &#8211; &#8220;Let&#8217;s shut up the rank and file non<br \/>\nRMALA members with a fat bank account so the local<br \/>\ndoesn&#8217;t have to worry about collecting work dues from<br \/>\nfront end work&#8221; &#8211; so they can ride the wave down to the<br \/>\nbottom and not have the local go under&#8230;&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>[EC: There are no doubt many aspects of this sale that are<br \/>\nunclear and many members have told us that they think<br \/>\nthere&#8217;s another shoe that will drop at some point.<\/p>\n<p>Additionally, Most do not feel their is a great deal of<br \/>\npremeditation in the wording of the ballot, they just<br \/>\nthink whomever wrote just didn&#8217;t know any better and<br \/>\nthe wording is simply careless. Our stance is that there<br \/>\nare no doubt those on the board acting in good faith,<br \/>\neven they did not see the working problem coming,<br \/>\nbut some did, whether intentional or not, the balloting<br \/>\nis faulty and must be retracted. and replaced by an iron<br \/>\nclad question that cannot be misinterpreted.]<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>If they wanted to inquire about how low they can sell<br \/>\nthe building for AND inquire in addition \u00a0how low they<br \/>\ncan sell it for, that should be in two different ballots.<br \/>\nThose are two questions they combined into one&#8230;<br \/>\nMaking it a trick question!<\/p>\n<p>This is NOT a ballot asking for permission to sell the<br \/>\nbuilding.<\/p>\n<p>This is a ballot telling us they already have a bidder,<br \/>\nand they are asking us permission to sell &#8211; so long<br \/>\nas the bidder does not lower his bid below $22,000,000.<\/p>\n<p>Oh for f*** sake.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>Musicians I have been speaking with liked getting<br \/>\nthe blog delivered to them every week.<\/p>\n<p>Was the list eliminated of all concern when the site<br \/>\nwent down?<\/p>\n<p>I believe the afm had used their influence to cause its demise.<\/p>\n<p>The Local tried to get it shut down over 5 years ago but<br \/>\nwasn&#8217;t able to. He even acknowledge this at that time.<\/p>\n<p>[EC: We&#8217;re working on getting the mailing back. Please<br \/>\nstay tuned.]<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>=================================<\/p>\n<p>V. EVENTS<\/p>\n<p>DEAN AND RICHARD<\/p>\n<p>DEAN AND RICHARD are now playing every third Friday<br \/>\nat Culver City Elks 7:30pm-10;30pm,<br \/>\n11160 Washington Pl.<br \/>\nCulver City, 90232<br \/>\n310-839-8891<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<\/p>\n<p>LA WINDS JAZZ KATS 584<\/p>\n<p>NO COVER, NO MINIMUM.<br \/>\nEvery 2nd and 4th Tuesday of the month at Viva Cantina<br \/>\n7:30-10:00.<br \/>\n900 Riverside Drive, Burbank.<\/p>\n<p>Free parking across the street at Pickwick Bowl.<br \/>\nCome hear your favorite charts played the way they<br \/>\nshould be. <\/p>\n<p>We are in the back room called the Trailside Room. <\/p>\n<p>Come on down. Guaranteed to swing.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>11\/4\/15<\/p>\n<p>GLENDALE NOON CONCERTS<\/p>\n<p>NEXT:<br \/>\nOn Wednesday, NOVEMBER 4, 2015 at 12:10-12:40 pm<br \/>\nthe Free Admission Glendale Noon Concerts\u00a0<br \/>\nwill feature violinist Dimitry Olevsky and pianist Harout Senekeremian\u00a0<br \/>\nperforming works Cesar Franck and Jan Sibelius<br \/>\nat the Sanctuary of Glendale City Church,<br \/>\n610 E. California Ave. (at Isabel), Glendale, CA 91206.<br \/>\nFor more information, email glendalesda@gmail.com<br \/>\nor call (818) 244-7241.<\/p>\n<p>Attached is are separate color jpeg photos of\u00a0<br \/>\nviolinist DIMITRY OLEVSKY\u00a0<br \/>\n&#038; pianist HAROUT SENEKEREMIAN\u00a0<br \/>\nwith their instriments.<\/p>\n<p>EDITORS: PLEASE NOTE\u00a0<br \/>\nPianist HAROUT SENEKEREMIAN \u00a0is a resident of GLENDALE.<br \/>\nhttp:\/\/www.haroutsenekeremian.com<br \/>\nhttp:\/\/www.dimitryolevsky.com<\/p>\n<p>Concert venue information can be found below.<br \/>\n\u00a0<br \/>\nThank you for your help promoting the Glendale Noon Concerts!<br \/>\nOn November 18, 2015, we will celebrate our 8th Anniversary<br \/>\nof presenting free admission concerts\u00a0<br \/>\nevery first and third Wednesday\u00a0<br \/>\nfor Glendale and the Southland community.<\/p>\n<p>Sincerely,<br \/>\nJacqueline Suzuki\u00a0<br \/>\nCurator, Glendale Noon Concerts<br \/>\n818 249 5108 home<br \/>\n818 236 1183 pager<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>11\/7-8\/15<\/p>\n<p>LISA HALEY ADN THE ZYDECATS<\/p>\n<p>Veterans Day Weekend Celebration<br \/>\nSaturday 11\/7\/15<br \/>\nLake Arrowhead, California &#8211; 2PM<br \/>\nAmericana Veterans Village<br \/>\nwww.friends2veterans.com<\/p>\n<p>and<\/p>\n<p>Sunday 11\/8\/15<br \/>\nLake Arrowhead, California &#8211; 2PM<br \/>\nAmericana Veterans Village<br \/>\nwww.friends2veterans.com<\/p>\n<p>================================<\/p>\n<p>You can read all previous offerings at:http:\/\/www.responsible47.com<br \/>\nUNTIL NEXT TIME,<br \/>\nTHE COMMITTEE FOR A MORE RESPONSIBLE LOCAL 47<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I. THE SALE BALLOT IS NOT TRUSTWORTHY (INTENTIONAL OR NOT) II. MEMBER COMMENTARY &#8211; LOOPHOLE LANGUAGE IN THE BALLOT III. MEMBER WRITES TO BOARD &#8211; GETS REPLY IV. LOTS OF COMMENTS IV. 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